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said, “It's some sort of a religious cult.” They did not say it's a religious veil over a tautly organized, if small, movement.

I personally don't know what they knew about it. All I know is that, if you had asked me the question what did I think about the Muslims, I would say it was a combination of both. Its power and following was more exaggerated by the press than was warranted. I think that's true even today with the [Louis] Farrakhan thing. I think the media is doing a terrific job in building up Farrakhan. My own feeling is that the Muslim movement today is even weaker than it was before, except for the press and various organizations building up Farrakhan to the point where he's now being invited to colleges, and being controversial. I think the press could do the same thing to this man Rabbi [Meir] Kahane. But they don't. Why they discriminate against Rabbi Kahane and concentrate on Farrakhan I do not know.

Wasn't it true, though, that later on Malcolm X got invitations to colleges?

Oh yes. I can't be too objective about Malcolm X, because I liked him very much. I respect him. I'm going to give you a copy of this. It hasn't yet come out. That's my interview with Malcolm and Martin Luther King and Jim Baldwin in 1963. They're reprinting it. What do you with things like this that I give you?

First of all, they're on my library shelf, and then later