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on--certainly things like copies of your speeches and papers that you've given me--I will give them to Oral History where they will be put as an appendix to your transcript. Do you have any recollection of how Malcolm broke into the college circuit the first time?

I don't know.

Ever hear anything about a Howard University debate between him and Bayard Rustin?

No. I just know that I would invite him to my classes. I enjoyed him and he enjoyed coming. He was a very intelligent man.

Thank you. These are--

From the memorial service.

From the memorial service. Mamie Phipps Clark.

Actually, I used to chide my classes because they used to ask me a lot of questions, and raise comments about things I would say. But they accepted passively, almost worshipfully (and these were white students) anything Malcolm X would say in class, no matter how preposterous it might seem to me. But he enjoyed being with young people. He'd never gone to college himself, but he had a tremendous respect for the intellectual process.