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and they certainly did not have black interviewers. I was brought in in large part because they learned that I had been doing leg work in Harlem for three years previously, from Adam Clayton Powell's climactic speech during the 1958 Democratic Primary, when they tried to defeat him. I met Malcolm X on Africa Freedom Day, 1959, in Harlem. What did he call it? I think an “Afro-American bazaar.” I can't believe they didn't have any blacks in the collection, but in 1961 they obviously recognized a deficiency.

I want to insert the name of this re-published book in this record. It's titled King, Malcolm, Baldwin. Subtitled “Three interviews by Kenneth B. Clark with a new introduction”.

Your tape is running out.

We've got about one minute on that side. Thank you. You know, and have known, Bayard Rustin?

Yes.

Have you had conversations with him on any of these issues?

Yes. As time goes on, less and less frequently.

What did you observe of the interrelationship between A. Philip Randolph and Bayard Rustin?

It increased more and more as Phil Randolph became older. In