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As a matter of fact, wasn't a good deal of such higher education
as he got through his own efforts done in prison?
Yes. Yes, and he wasn't ashamed of this.
I heard him use this in his perorations up in Harlem, on the
boulevard up there.
Did you ever interview him?
I interviewed him for the NBC [National Broadcasting Corp.] news
special in 1963 called “American Revolution '63”. That was a filmed
interview. A good deal of that did go on the air. I proposed him
for oral history, but I must confess that I told my director or
record then, Louis Starr, that he should be aware that Malcolm's
rhetoric was anti-Christian (particularly anti-Catholic),
anti-Semitic, and as whole anti-white. He was never invited. That
was about 1962.
Let me ask you a question. Was it not true that there was a
long period of time before the oral history group did in fact invite
blacks? I heard this, and was sort of surprised.
I don't know the full history of this. I can tell you however
that when I was invited to interview for them, or recruited to
interview for them--which was in early 1961--I was initially brought
in to interview blacks, which suggests that they did not have blacks,
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