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conferring with potential candidates for the Regent, or talks to find out-- I think you used the term “political sensitivity”-- now did you use that--

Racial reality.

Did you use that in a--

Pejorative?

That's going to be the second part. Either in a literal way, that they were sensitive to the realities of practical politics, or was it more of a pejorative or euphemism for finding out if they had the right ideological orientation, such as some potential candidates in the Reagan Administration have been confronted with recently?

I think both. I really think both. And I obviously don't have this from the successful candidates. They're not going to tell me. They'd tell you that they have been interviewed and a number of questions were asked, but they certainly wouldn't tell you that they gave the right answers in order to be elected. But what I did get was from members of the Board who were not re-elected. For example, Charlie [Charles] Mallard, who was another gentleman of integrity and independence, was interviewed, and he gave his answers, you know. Not the answers that were necessarily