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Yes. [Laughter] Yes, it didn't surprise me. While you've been on the Board of Regents, have the Regents taken a great deal of interest in Head Start and early preparation for five-year-olds?

Yes. In fact, they're coming back to that. Commissioner [Gordon] Ambach is very strong on the position that the schools should start for four-year-olds. The problem there, I guess, is an economic one. But he's very strong. And that's another thing I saw in Richmond, that they do have a few schools where the children are pre-kindergarten. They claim that this is a very positive thing. I mean, in terms of their academic performance later on. But we haven't yet established that in New York State and New York City.

Isn't there a new plan just announced within the last couple of weeks for New York City?

New York City.

I guess that [Mayor Ed] Koch has involved himself in it and the Board of Education. The TIMES editorially supported it.

Yes. It's taking over the Head Start concept into the public schools, which will be very good.

Yes.