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of people feel otherwise. They feel that here is a very liberal, intelligent, intellectual man, who speaks well. I suppose these are all true, but I still have my feelings about him.

Well, as a footnote here, how did you feel about him when he was a Gubernatorial candidate running against Lew Lehrman?

Well, there's no question. Oh, my goodness. To me there was no choice. [Laughter] I've never been a major Cuomo fan, from before he was elected to office. I certainly voted again against Koch, in the primaries.

That's the governorship? Not the mayoral--

No. I can't vote in New York City, I live in Westchester. But in the State, I voted for Cuomo against Koch. My son worked very hard in Harlem for Cuomo. And certainly with Lehrman, it was-- but that has nothing to do with my feelings about Cuomo. I think he is running for the Presidential nomination in '88. I don't think he'll get it. A number of people think so, but--

Earlier you mentioned that you found that some of the legislators, the minority legislators, felt that you should have been consulting with them or conferring with them and so forth. Over all of your tenure-- and not just involving you, but the other Regents-- have those gislators that have been interested in education felt there should