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course. But they give up when they are not able to present to their wives and children evidence of their ability to meet their needs, their economic needs. Well, that's old fashioned perspective. The more fashionable perspective within the last four or five years is one that is consistent with the conservative position that these people have to look to themselves to solve their basic problems. They've got to look to themselves to deal with the question of unemployment. They have to look to themselves to deal with the question of discrimination, and the discrepancy between the black family income and white family income. Okay?

I was also reading, this was quite recently, that Andrew Brimmer who was the first, and perhaps the only black that's ever been on the Federal Reserve Board--

I think the first. I think there've been--

There've been some more?

Since the one--

He made some remarks in Washington recently where he seemed also to emphasize that blacks had to concentrate more on individual entrepreneurship. Would you consider that he's now a conservative black?

Not necessarily. You know, actually this kind of statement, I