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repeat, is not new. Individual entrepreneurship is something which, I presume they've been saying about Americans black and white for a long time in terms of approach to economic mobility for individuals and groups. What is not generally not said about that is you don't get successful entrepreneurship out of the everywhere and the nowhere. Successful entrepreneurship would seem to me to depend upon a number of things, including educational preparation, the ability to keep books, to know what's involved in the relationship between income and expenditures. Certainly, it would depend upon financing, the ability of banks to provide loans, capital, the ability to get bonding, bonds. Now, if the evidence is that there is full equity in these areas for successful entrepreneurship, blacks, as there is for whites, then if there is evidence that blacks are not functioning effectively in this area that this is a racial inferiority, for their ineffectiveness would be justified. If, on the other hand, the evidence is clear that they are not provided with these determinants of effectiveness and success as entrepreneurs, then one would have to face the fact that they're handicapped. There's something about the system, quiet or maybe not so quiet that makes the burden greater for blacks than for whites. But, if one doesn't want to face that, one has the alternative of saying that blacks should be more effective entrepreneurs, and all they have to do is just say, “I'm going to be an effective entrepreneur,” and become one.

You've already discussed Malcolm X extensively--

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