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is involved in that success, or what is the relationship between the appearance of success and the preoccupation with young people. I think you heard me on the phone with staff people from Northside. They had sent over two two young men just this past week. I think it was Tuesday, to talk with me about therapists. But they felt that it was important for me to talk with these young people, these two young men, to give them a sense that--aren't you tired of this?

No. [laughs]

--that an allegedly successful black person had time to talk with them about their aspirations and their future. This was one of the most important things I did, this week, because in a sense, I saw myself as a surrogate, or supporter, providing, at least in the early stages of providing for these young men a face to face kind of support that my mother and others provided for me. It's not easy to forget. It's not easy for me to forget. Yet something about that's disturbing me, there's something about this discussion that's disturbing me. It just seems to damn self--[pauses] --righteous, I don't know.

Well, did you feel they were responsive to your suggestions or questions--?

These two young men?

Yes, as you tried to draw them out.