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To different degrees. They were quite different, these two. One of them was clearly more, the younger one interestingly enough, was more receptive and responsive, and interactive than the older one. The older one seemed to me, and I talked with his therapist, said that is did seem to me that he was operating in isolation. She confirmed the fact that he seemed preoccupied with himself. But that's a clinical problem. I must say to you that there's something about the discussion of this type of problem that's bothering me. We started out by talking about conservatives and liberals. Instead of pursuing that I am talking about myself, and that doesn't make much sense.

Well, let me come back to this issue of entrepreneurship. You have talked extensively about your conversations with Malcolm X, observations of him both in your original set of interviews and also in this epilogue. I do not fully recall that you've talked about his efforts to get blacks established in their own businesses.

Sure.

As I observed the Muslims on African Freedom Day in 1959, they had this African-Asian Bazaar, I think they called it. There were all these booths. Some of them were making jams. Some were advertising car repair, and so forth. But it was up in that armory in Harlem. Did you ever talk to Malcolm X about his efforts to get businesses going? Of course, he had restaurants too, bakeries.