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By the way, that's true of the thrift industry in general.

Yes, it is.

I'm on the board of a savings bank and it's not black. I'm the only black on the board. When I first went on in 1967 we were doing very well. We've been having a hell of a time keeping our heads above water within the last four or five years. Why are you asking me these questions that are outside of my purview or my--?

Well, I think if you're on the board of a savings bank that they're somewhat in your purview. Can you identify that bank incidentally, or would you rather not?

I'd rather not. You know, it's a matter of public knowledge. Yes, it's the Lincoln Savings Bank and I've been on that board since 1967, I think or 1970. It's fighting back with the lowering of interest rates that seem to be a stabilizing thing[?]. Can I come back and ask you a question? What is there about these things that I'm saying that has any significance beyond the fact that these are My personal impressions that have no--? It's beyond my personal impressions.

I think that Oral History wanted your reminiscences and views for its collection. It has been, in the last twenty years, expanding the number of black leaders, some black journalists in its collection.