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reality. Prior to this development, the celebrity status was almost exclusively restricted to whites.

By the way, I'm very happy to see Bill Cosby becoming a unquestioned leader among the entertainment media. [?] I looked at him last night, and I was watching and trying to understand what was the nature of his appeal. One of the things which I observed, and again I didn't systematically study this because I was just looking at it and enjoying it, was his naturalness which in a sense transcends race. Although he doesn't dodge race he goes beyond race. He involves humor in the human predicament and the family. I'm glad he is a celebrity who is able to do this, and he doesn't seem to me, and I've seen and talked with him, he doesn't seem to take his status over seriously. Okay.

Let me get this--

I'm sorry. I'm annoyed at myself. I'm telling you this.

Let me get this in this record before we go further. When I mentioned Ozzie Davis' wife I was, of course, thinking of Ruby Dee.

Ruby Dee.

You mentioned Trudeau, and of course you were talking about Gary Trudeau, the cartoonist who creates “Doonesbury.”

And who makes fun of the “celebrity-itis” of American society.