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--and he's a Republican white.

Absolutely. So, one can't be totally pessimistic about these problems. It may be that I'm just clutching that to me that, as the [New York] Times today said, “It was the defeat of the Reagan Administration's civil rights policies and practices. Of course, Reagan showing his strength, says that he's going to keep Reynolds as head of the Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department. He has more work to do there, I guess.

Now, Dr. Clark, you've already protested you're not a political scientist, but we are on this political episode which seems to have far reaching significance. Did you follow some of the musings of, and the questioning of the key Senators, I would say first of all on the Democratic side, Joseph Biden who is the one that kept coming back. His question always was, “What about this re-districting case?” I believe that was the one in Louisiana. Then there was the Mississippi one too. Then that seemed to create more interest in the committee and the two Republicans who voted against Bradford Reynolds, Charles McC. Mathias of Maryland and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania. Then, of course, the one Senator that remained, the apologist for Bradford Reynolds was Orsin Hatch. But Arlen Specter now, if I'm recalling correctly voted for the confirmation of Edwin Meese as Attorney General. So, therefore this meant a--

Split.