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his contact with P.L.O. [Palestinian Liberation Organization]. Did you say earlier that from your conversations with Andy Young that you found no evidence of anti-Semitism, that his interest in the P.L.O. was strictly, he thought that there was an issue there?

On the contrary, what is forgotten is that Andy was talking to the P.L.O. in terms of an issue that was coming before the U.N. which would have been negative or hostile toward Israel, and he was trying to preclude it. But very few people remember that or that were even published. No, it was not anti-Semitism at all. It was his trying to be a diplomat in doing what many of the representatives and ambassadors in the U.N. do. They try to prevent, as far as possible, negative votes. The Israeli ambassadors, staff people in the U.N., and other State Department representatives had been talking quietly to P.L.O. people in Europe.

And apparently it was just because this meeting got out, was publicized by, however leaked perhaps.

It was bugged.

He was bugged, but who leaked the contents of the bugging?

I think whoever had the power to do the bugging.

Well, that raises a lot of questions which probably cannot be answered by us. There've been some blacks with certain prominence,