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is that it is generally presented in terms of anti-Semitism among blacks, which is to me only one side of the problem. I mean, there's also anti-black feelings among whites, and Jews, and the fact that in recent years, since the 1970s maybe understandably Jews have been identifying themselves as whites. They are white, but it's rarely discussed in those terms. If I were to participate in any discussion of this issue I would put that on the table too. I don't discuss it so--.

Another question in another area came to my mind and I do not recall that we've discussed this before. Public opinion polls, to probe viewpoints of blacks, are a relatively recent--wasn't one of the first one something called “Data Black.”

Yes.

In fact, it was the first such organization.

That's right, and I'm a party to it.

You helped found it, organize it.

Yes.

Or is it part of your--?

With Percy Sutton.