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It was practical. It was a very practical, and I think a wise thing and might influence Koch positively. I think that's Hilton's rationale.

Do you feel that Ed Koch made a vigorous effort in this campaign to reach out to the black voters?

He made an effort. I think that there's evidence that Koch realized his earlier insensitivities, and flip kind of statements were not helping him, certainly was not helping his image with minorities.

Are you thinking of such statements as that that he was quoted--that was quoted in that two piece New Yorker profile of Ed Koch, and as a matter of fact it was picked from his own volume one Oral History. Yes, you probably heard of that, those statements in that profile. Incidentally, just for the record here, how old is Hilton now?

Hilton--on October 20th, Hilton was forty-two.

You made mention of how close the primary vote was between Hilton and Fred Samuel. Was there any suspicion on Hilton's part that there was something funny in the counting?

He didn't make too big a deal of that.