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No, I wasn't. This is the first time I've heard that, by the way. I don't follow Coretta Scott King very closely.

Had you heard about Kean's effort to reach out to the blacks?

I read yesterday in the [New York] Times, and my own impression of Kean is that he is the kind of Republican that could really make a difference in terms of blacks' positive reaction to the Republican Party. Whether he's going to have national influence in this regard and counter the [Edwin] Meese approach is another question. But I have not seen the detailed voting data. But I suspect that he had a substantial black vote.

Of course, the [New York] Times' piece that you were referring to yesterday, if I recall correctly there were two pieces on New Jersey. One was the report of Kean's re-election, but the other a more analytical piece where Kean came out publicly and said that the Republican Party naturally must reach out.

Right. He has been reaching out apparently[?]. I think he is a new positive, dynamic type of Republican who could give the Democrats, in regard to taking the black vote for granted, some trouble. But again, I don't know how extensive that is. I was in Richmond yesterday, as I told you, and I read the papers and listened to people discussing to me the historic vote in Virginia--Democrat governor, a black male for a Lieutenant Governor, a female, white female for Attorney General. To me, this is very important. An