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these children, you know, these children who come from deprived homes, and parents who themselves as I pointed out, were the victims of inferior education and rejection. There's been massive rejection, massive--rejection is the word of the educational potentials of these children, and institutionalized in the inadequacy of the schools and teaching.

Now, I've heard another viewpoint toward at least some of these black Great Society programs and this is from a black, of some intellectual attainment. He suggested that these Great Society programs, in effect, were largely a welfare program for the middle class, not middle class blacks but the ones who got the jobs to administer them.

Well, I think that's true of welfare programs in general. Aid to Dependant of Children, things of that sort, the administrators, the bureaucrats. They seem to me get more benefit than the deprived people for whom they were set out. But how do you get around that?

Well, if you were to extrapolate this to developmental problems, in less developed countries abroad, isn't that what Jack Kennedy tried to get around by establishing the Peace Corps?

I think so, among other things. [pauses] And our aid programs, the aid seems to help those governmental officials in governments that are for us, more than they help the people, working class people in Africa, Central America.