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see him -- he gave me a watch, you know, and he took us around, and he
was happy to see us. But even then, I sensed that he would be more
dominant, and restrictive a force than I personally would be able to
Now, that's a hell of a thing to say, in a way. But I
sometimes look back on my own controversies with authority figures, and
government and what not, and as a psychologist -- youknow, it may be
that I have been involved in so damn many of these controversies because
I didn't have a father that taught me to respect authority arbitrarily.
Now, that's a hell of a confused kind of hypothesis. But I
must tell you, I've often thought of this. And I'm engaged in a battle now
with theCommissioner of Education,. As a member of the Board of Regents,
I'm fighting with Ewald Nyquist.
Well, hell, I find it fascinating, and in a sense almost
ludicrous, that he is personalizing my battle with him, and I sometimes
wonder, when I'm in similar situations, if I had grown up with a father
who was supposed to be representing authority that should be respected
unquestionably, whether I would have the kinds of fights I have, with
people like Nyquist and others who, whether they know it or not, believe
that their position should make them immune from criticism.
Well, that's a diversionary thing, in terms of my relationship
with my father.
Have you ever suspected that perhaps another one of your mother's
motivations for coming to the United States and leaving your father
was her concern that he might be too domineering, as you grew older?
I don't think that. I think that her concern was more direct,
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