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see him -- he gave me a watch, you know, and he took us around, and he was happy to see us. But even then, I sensed that he would be more dominant, and restrictive a force than I personally would be able to deal with.

Now, that's a hell of a thing to say, in a way. But I sometimes look back on my own controversies with authority figures, and government and what not, and as a psychologist -- youknow, it may be that I have been involved in so damn many of these controversies because I didn't have a father that taught me to respect authority arbitrarily.

Now, that's a hell of a confused kind of hypothesis. But I must tell you, I've often thought of this. And I'm engaged in a battle now with theCommissioner of Education,. As a member of the Board of Regents, I'm fighting with Ewald Nyquist.

Well, hell, I find it fascinating, and in a sense almost ludicrous, that he is personalizing my battle with him, and I sometimes wonder, when I'm in similar situations, if I had grown up with a father who was supposed to be representing authority that should be respected unquestionably, whether I would have the kinds of fights I have, with people like Nyquist and others who, whether they know it or not, believe that their position should make them immune from criticism.

Well, that's a diversionary thing, in terms of my relationship with my father.


Have you ever suspected that perhaps another one of your mother's motivations for coming to the United States and leaving your father was her concern that he might be too domineering, as you grew older?


I don't think that. I think that her concern was more direct,

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