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top student in history, you know, although I respected her.

I remember a teacher of English, Mrs. Chapin, who was terms? a lady, sort of New England American aristocrat in manner, and voice and diction, and the thing I remember most vividly about her is that she made literature come alive. You know, she was -- it was not dry as dust. I mean, she had this wonderful way of bringing out the relationship between the written word and life and your thoughts, your experience, and using it to stimulate you to think and -- you know.

And interestingly enough, all of these things, to me, with the exception of Mr. Goddesman, were non-racial.

What this reminiscing is doing for me is, putting in context the things that I fight for now, in a way, you know, in education; that actually, this is possible. And somehow or other, I may be unrealistic in believing that it is still possible, for teachers who really are teachers to elicit, to bring out, to stimulate more positive potentials of their students.

This, to me, is one of the most important roles that a human being can have. And I just hate to see it bastardize.

When you were denied this economics prize, was there any explanation from any source given to you?

Absolutely not.

You just knew, there was no question but that you had the superior --

-- not only did I know it, but all my classmates knew it. You know.