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Q:

Did they make any remarks to you about it?

Clark:

Oh, to me? Yes. I never spoke to Mr. Goddesman again. I guess there were many opportunities to speak to him, because I was graduating. But if I met him in the street, I would ignore him. As far as I was concerned, he was dead.

Q:

Did your fellow students --

Clark:

--commiserate?

Q:

Commiserate or express any outrage even?

Clark:

No outrage. Commiseration. I mean, it was the pre-outrage days. No, it was commiseration. They all, in lunch period, you know -- the prizes, I guess, must have been announced before the actual commencement., who was going to get what.

Q:

Incidentally, where was the junior high school that you attended?

Clark:

139, on 139th St. between Seventh and Lenox Avenues. It's still there. P.S. 5 is not still there, but 139 is still there, expanded and overcrowded and deteriorated.

Q:

Now, during this school period, did your mother and you and your sister continue to live for the most part in what is now Harlem?

Clark:

Yes. My mother, like most upwardly mobile Americans I guess, was constantly moving to better neighborhoods. You know, as a neighborhood -- even before it actually started to deteriorate, my mother and my grandmother -- my mother was always the leader of the family, and she would decide that we had to move. But all through high school,





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