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I'll give you a summary of my reaction. I was surprised in South Africa, because I went there with the American blacks, I guess, Black American stereotype of a place where I would see blacks totally oppressed, to the point of almost dehumanization. And whites practically gleeful in their superiority. And that was not supported by what I saw. I saw a dying system, apartheid, where everybody was aware of the fact that the days of apartheid are numbered. And particularly the blacks -- the same, I guess, the whites too, the Afrikaners and English.

But what really surprised me more than anything else was that the most oppressed people in South Africa are the whites. They are psychologically as oppressed a group of human beings as I've ever seen, anywhere. I mean, they -- the irony of the total control of the economy, you know, the wealth, everything, these tremendous buildings, the gold and what not-- if you ever want any illustration and example that material power and wealth is not a guarantee of psychological serenity and stability, South Africa would be about as clear an example of that as any place I've ever seen. These people are literally imprisoned. More so than the blacks.

That is South Africa, to me.

It's a golden prison, in other words, because they're so well off.

Yes!

That is, well off financially.

Financially. But you know, when you read their newspapers, you can see that. Another irony is that they've just introduced television.