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worked together, and, to come back to your question -- yes. I think that probably was our dominant theme, aside from humorous things or humorous editorials or something of that sort. But when we really got into trouble, it was because we were dealing with the conflict of interest between an allegedly free university and its dependence upon a Congress that was dominanted by Southerners who, by virtue of racism, had seniority.

Well, those are not the kinds of things that good little students were supposed to be saying in those days, you see. And I must tell you that the fact of the matter is, we were sort of supported by some faculty people.

I wanted to ask you about that, because during this time you said you were meeting with faculty people, they were becoming your friends, out of class -- did you discuss any of these editorials?

Never before the fact, interestingly enough. Now, that's -- they were not pushing us. They were not quietly using us as a front. They were clearly happy at what we were doing. They would never chide us. Obviously, they would never chide us, you know. They'd discuss things, after. But we were our own --

For example, we never had any faculty censorship of what we did. It was always, after the fact, concern on the part of the administration -- and it was restricted pretty much to the administration. I don't recall any of our faculty friends being critical of us, although I think they should have been sometimes, because I guess sometimes we were outlandish, you know. But they never said that, to me--