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side of justice. And I guess I'd pick up any little thing and make a big deal out of it.

I guess I would be writing about the extent to which the dependence of Howard University upon the Congress was restricting the role of the university in the struggle for justice. And I think I'd write about some Congressmen.

How aware were you at this time that Congress was largely dominated by Southerners?

Oh, very much so. Oh, in fact, this was a recurrent theme. In fact, I'd name the Southerners. And not just I. There were other people on the staff. For example, the person who succeeded me a s editor was a very close friend of mine -- oh, one of the most brilliant students. In fact, the thing that made me angry with Ulysses, the famous Ulysses Grant Lee, brilliant student of literature, American literature -- he got his PhD from the University of Chicago -- Ulysses would come into my field, psychology, or into philosophy, and just run rings abound me, you know. He was an indefatigable worker. In fact, Ulysses made me work harder than I would ordinarily, because we'd go to the Library of Congress together, you know, and he never would know when to stop.

Well, anyway, Ulysses would know about these men, you know, and he was also a brilliant student of history. He would know their political geneology, and he was my associate when I was editor, and I was his associate when he was editor. I think we ran against each other when I was a junior and I won, but it didn't matter, because we