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about it, you know.

There was only one slight exception to that, and that was not within my department. One day, John Peatman, who was then chairman of the department, I think -- Gardner had gone to Topeka, the Menninger Clinic -- Peatman, who was a statistician, was chairman of the department, and John called me in his office and very gently and warmly told me that the dean of the college, Gottschalk, was raising some question concerning my frequent absence from the college in pursuit of these cases.

John gently suggested that maybe I should talk with the dean about his, the dean's concern.

John also made it clear that neither he nor any other member of the department shared that concern, but he thought that since the dean raised it, it probably would be good if I would talk with him directly and allay his anxieties.

So I went over and talked with Gottschalk.

A number of people had very positive feelings about Gottschalk. I didn't share his general positive reputation. I'd always had some sort of questions about Dean Gottschalk, although I'd never had any personal conflict with him until this time.

I went in his office, and he was a little awkward, embarrassed. He knew what I'd come for. But I waited for him to raise his question, you know. And he said, “You know, I've been concerned about the fact that you are traveling a great deal with the NAACP lawyers, “and I think I said something as innocuous as, “Well, I know.”

You know, I don't remember what I said to him.