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Mamie and I said, “Yes, this makes sense.” And we told Marian that. We said, “You know, Marian, you helped very much, but most of your help has been money.”

I'm going to give you a very important footnote on this. In the resolution of that crisis, there were two people who were very, very supportive, of us: Joanne Stern, who was Marian Ascoli's daughter-in-law, and Alfred Stern, who was Marian Ascoli's oldest son. Fascinating! Joanne stayed on our board and is still on our board, and one of the strongest supporters of us, and Al Stern is one of my very good friends. And it was only last week that Al and I got around to talking about the meaning of that crisis in the strengthening of our personal respect and admiration for each other. Fifteen years, before we had lunch at the Carlyle, about business, the business that I'm in now, and we both, together, said, “You know, isn't it interesting how we never talked about this before, and we probably will never talk about it again, but --”

Out of that crisis that involved his mother, there developed a very strong mutual respect and admiration and incressing affection.

That's not unlike the story that I told you abot that Irish precinct captain. And fortunately, a number of things like that have happened in our lives, that made it interesting.


Could you be a little bit more specific on the differences in clinical approach that were needed for the poor black children, compared with middle class white children?


Yes. I'll be specific. What we're dealing with at Northside

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