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Dr. Clark, toward the end of the last interview, you outlined the setting up of the Northside Center, your wife's role in it. You made references also to your field researches, partly in connection with drawing upon them for the Supreme Court decision. I'm wondering if there's not a logical progression here, following your work with the children, leading up to your establishing HARYOU-ACT? A sequence here. And I see two sub-thrusts there -- you already reference to the difficulties with Mrs. Ascoli, and I recall in the first briefing you gave me when I was a reporter, you made some rather sharp references to “liberals.”

Oh, my gracious.

And then later, also, of course, there was the Jones-Powell controversy.

You have an excellent memory. And I don't want to waste your time by what might seem to be idle flattery, but your capacity to put things together and see relationships that ordinarily