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than I was before.

But the research, the Northside stage of my life, which is still Mamie's, dominates Mamie's life as of now -- although over the weekend, she did for the first time talk seriously of retirement from Northside, after the next year or so -- and the involvement in HARYOU, which came directly out of Northside, my experience at Northside, my thoughts and concerns about the limits of the clinical approach to the problems of children and their parents, in an oppressed community --

The fact is that the HARYOU experience came out of the convergence of what I was observing at Northside, and the fact that I was a social psychologist, rather than a clinical psychologist, and my attempt to see if it were possible to combine the desire to help human beings with a social psychological approach, rather than just a clinical approach.

Now, this does not mean that I didn't respect the clinicians there. But I knew that they were -- oh, fighting against tremendous and overwhelming statistical odds. Every child whom they were able to help at Northside represented at least a thousand whom they couldn't help, you know. To be quite honest with you, I was concerned about the thousands who were not being helped.

A curious thing was happening to me. Our successes at Northside were more and more disturbing to me. That's a curious thing to say. Every time I saw a child who was able to read better, because one or more of the people on the remedial reading staff provided that child with the acceptance and the love and the care and