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point in my beating around the bush about this. I said, “Damn! You know, here is an agency in the community that's struggling, and the decision-makers downtown decide that an out-of-community agency should be given money to come into the community and do some thing with the Harlem youth.”

This was before nationalism. This was before it was fashionable for blacks to be, you know, preoccupied with black control of things.

And I remember using the term, “social work colonialism,” and called the press and ranted and raved,-- all the time knowing damn well that the head of the Jewish Board of Guardians was one of the social work supporters of Northside, and a member of the advisory committee, a man by the name of Herschel Alt. And knowing full well that Herschel Alt was not going to be particularly happy at my blast, and ranting and raving.

And that was true. Herschel Alt and his friends, who were “Lady Bountifuls” in regard to Northside, were very upset and disturbed about my ranting and raving about the morality, really, of the municipal government doing such a, to me, unthinkable thing. But I guess it was only unthinkable to me. It created quite a furor. And needless to say, a number of meetings with our downtown benefactors.

I guess the purpose of the meetings was to try to get me into the camp, or to soften -- but I must tell you, at eash meeting I just got worse. And I must say that Mamie backed me, that Mamie did not -- and I think wisely, did not enter into the public controversy on this. This was -- as far as the public was concerned,