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One of the arguments, by the way, that was used against me, during that period of my tantrum, was that I was willing to deny the youth of Harlem a valuable service, merely because another agency was given the responsibility of providing that service.

And when that argument was used against me, I said, “Yes. If by -- if what you're saying is that only the Jewish Board of Guardians can provide this service, it is to me worse to have that service provided that way, than not to have the service at all.”

I didn't back away from that argument, you see. But basically, obviously, I wanted youth in Harlem to have as many services as we could get. But it seemed to me that it was damned important to begin to face the issue now of, what really does that community need? You know. To me, it was not colonialism any more. It was no longer, Lady Bountiful, white is right, whites know better, and blacks should be grateful to their benefactors, no matter what the conditions are. And I used such words as condescension. You know.

Well, this was a revolt. I mean, the natives were clearly restless, you see, and I was the most restless of the natives.

What year was this?

This was 1961. The TIMES had a series of stories on it, and the TIMES did a good job of covering the thing, and they did not misquote me. If anything, they may have protected me by not quoting some of the more extreme statements I made, you know. But that's an aside. I might have told you this before. I have never suffered from