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touched, at least temporarily, the conscience of white America.

At a time when (William) Dawson, the Congressman from Chicago,

-- that's William Dawson?

Yes -- and the henchman (Mayor) of Daley, was being quietly and respectably, notally unracially politically corrupt, Adam was willing to balance his political corruption with appeals for racial justice. Dawson never did, you see.

So I'm not like the NEW YORK TIMES editorial writers, who periodically are castigating Adam as if he were totally and unqualifiedly corrupt. They never wrote a single editorial about Dawson, or, for that matter, a lot of the other white Congressmen who were like Adam.

To go back to Jones --

--you're interested in Jones, I see.

Yes. What did Jones say about his powerlessness? Did he agree that he didn't have any power?

He didn't address himself to that. And by the way, I don't remember, I guess we could look it up, whether this was before Ray took over the leadership of the campaign for re-election of Wagner, when Carmine de Sapio put the regular Democratic Party behind my good friend Arthur Levitt, Sr. I don't remember which came first.

I'm trying to fix these dates. That mayoral campaign was 1961.

Yeah. It was after.