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self-confidence and self-assurance, you know, the very opposite of what American racism is supposed to socialize blacks to, and particularly black males that's -- what these people represent.

They are my ideal, not in terms of Adam's corruption, or in terms of Mohammed Ali's limitations, but psychologically, they are my ideal of what a human being should be: self-assured, you know, confident, not burdened with any interfering sense of inferiority. And if you had that, with, in Adams case, some minimum social probity or sensitivity to the importance of a moral stabilizing, you would have had a very powerful leader. In the case of Mohammed Ali, if you had it with some educational discipline and training, you'd have an important public figure.

He has the native intelligence.

Oh yes, he has the native intelligence. I don't think there's any question about that.

Now, you've already discussed the Powell-Jones conflict within the frame of HARYOU--ACT, but of course, they had this big break later, when Jones ran for the City Council, and Powell pulled out -- I think the Sunday before he was honorary chairman of the campaign. Did it come to you as any surprise, that Adam would turn on somebody that had been his collaborator?

No. Not at all. I told you, Adam was free as a bird. Shackled only to his own ego. I don't think Adam had any loyalties. Again, you know, with the exception maybe of his son.