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A black leader told me once that his problem with Elijah Muhammad was really based on the fact that Elijah thought Malcolm was getting too much power, that Elijah intended --

-- Elijah and his sons.

His sons were to receive the Muslim organization as a legacy, and that was what happened.

Absolutely. Absolutely. There's no question about that. And Malcolm knew that. Malcolm knew it even before the break.

He saw it coming, then?

Sure. He was a very perceptive guy. Very wise. Wise and compassionate. He was a softie. I told you, I've seen him cry, for the right reasons. The killing of his brothers, by the Los Angeles police. He was supposed to be coming up to Kent that day; or the following day. He called me and said, “I can't go. There was wanton murder of my brothers.” And he broke out crying.

Did you ever discuss his prison days with him?

Not in detail. No. He'd mention them.

His early days on the streets of Harlem? I've heard him publicly admit on the street that he was a pimp.

(crosstalk)

Pushed dope and was a pimp. Sure. I remember that. I've got to go.....