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opinion. Where Malcolm kept saying, you know, “This is a white man's society --”

“Malcolm, you're wrong. This is our society. Like anybody else's. We built the railroads --”

We'd talk about things like that.

In other words, he believed there had to be separatism.

Except the last two years of his life. The last two years of his life, he was moving very -- he had moved, really, towards realizing that the racism, the separatism, was a snare and a delusion, and he was moving towards Martin Luther King's position, the NAACP's position. In fact, I think that's one reason he was killed.

Do you have any doubt about who killed him? Not literally, but whether it was a hired killing?

Well, I think it was hired, in terms of -- yes, it was hired. I don't think it was the government. I may be wrong on that. In the light of the recent revelations. But they caught the person. By the way, we were supposed to have had an appointment the following Tuesday. He was coming up to the college, and we were going out to lunch, at his initiative, and I have somewhere in my files a tape of his last speech, including the gunshot.

That might be the only existing tape.

That could be.