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I think Norman Vincent Peale is a joke. And I saw an ad for
a book about Pike-- you know --
Oh well, it's getting absurd. Even the discussion is absurd.
In fact, you know, I'm surprised that you haven't asked me,
“What isn't?” And frankly, I don't know.
Let's go back to MARC. You were the one then, do I understand
correctly, who decided that MARC would be established outside
Harlem, physically located outside of Harlem?
And away from any institution. You know, I would not
participate in it, if it were part of an academic bureaucratic
situation. I wanted it free.
Did you organize it?
Yes, supported by the Field Foundation, and at the end
of the first year, substantial grant from the Ford Foundation.
This is probably in the reports of MARC, but just concisely,
what did you conceive originally to be the main thrust of MARC?
Well, the best, most succint answer to that came from
our first chairman, Ted Kheel. “A poor man's AMA.” We were
going to experiment. MARC was from the very beginning, and up to
the end, an experiment to determine whether it was possible to use
trained, disciplined intelligence as an instrument to effect
social policy on behalf of those large segments of the population
who had no voice, you know, and who had no power, and who certainly
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