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Yes. Sure. And almost every school of education has perfunctory practice teaching courses.

Perfunctory?

Sure. At least, from my perspective, perfunctory. If you talk to those responsible, it's a tremendous thing.

You mean then that they don't send them out into some of these schools were the problems are most severe, as part of that teaching schedule?

Not only that, but even when they do, what difference does it make? I said perfunctory and I meant perfunctory. It's part of the curriculum, the requirements -- but so what? You see.

Oh, you bring out the worst -- now, see, if you weren't here, I'd have been able to come in here and immerse myself in this work, and try to forget lunch and -- are you still taking to my wife?

This will depend on whenever she's read her transcript, if she feels she should add --

She's a very private person, as you know. She'd be appalled at my --

There was about four hours in that session.

Oh, really? Good. Oh good. She didn't tell me that. No, she gave me the impression (crosstalk) -- no, I'm going to