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per year, and reveling in the status and the prestige of a well-known professor.

I went back to the college, and within the first year, I was selling the chairman of my department and the president on the necessity for setting up a social dynamics research center. (laughs) It's a bad play. It really is.

And I had no trouble getting their agreement, you know. They asked me what I wanted and what I needed, and we got a building. We got one of the brownstones that the college owned at 141st St. and Convent Avenue. I got my friend Larry Plotkin, who's still with me, -- and by the way, I want to see that you get a copy of RECOLLECTIONS: AN ORAL HISTORY OF THE PSYCHOLOGY DEPARTMENT which one of our colleagues brought together. Professor ? Larry Magnum -- he did a beautiful job of interviewing some of us old timers.

I went to Larry, and I told Larry what I had in mind. Larry had been a collaborator of mine for a number of years, in anything I did except HARYOU. Larry was saved that.

And I had another hidden agenda. Claire Seltiz, who had worked with Stuart Cook when he was chairman of the department of psychology at New York University, and who had collaborated with him on one of the best books, and I think it's still the outstanding book, on methodology in social sciences, particularly in social psychology -- Claire was left high and dry when Stuart went out to University of Denver.

In the fifties and early sixties, we had a close





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