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I enjoyed my ability to demonstrate that I was independent. I enjoyed the ability to write the letter that I wrote to him, you know, and have him check every damn thing I said. And I was even nasty enough to say, “You know, I'd appreciate some time for reporters to tell how much side money they make from people that they are allegedly covering, such as consultant or other kinds of fees that you might be getting from the Board of Education --”

I sank to a low level of, not just sarcasm, but snide innuendo, which was based upon some outside evidence, etc.

I wasn't proud of myself. When I get in these kinds of things, I'm not proud. I was proud of the fact that I could act out my childishness -- if you understand what I'm saying here. I really was. I was proud of the fact that I could get my tantrum out, by retiring, and not having to suffer economically for it. And that isn't telling you a thing about what happened at MARC. But that's a whole other story.

This is a personal memoir also, Dr. Clark, so that part of the story would most certainly be --

In talking about this, it gives me really an opportunity to step back, in a way, and look at my own role a little more critically than one ordinarily does. And the fact that -- when I use the word tantrum, I did have a tantrum, when I saw what Bernie Bard did with this point that Larry, interestingly enough, raised, and that Hoylan Lewis and I asked him to consider the wisdom of