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one of the reasons I got so involved, because I was so impressed with the honesty and pragmatic statements of Dean Rusk, when he first got us down there.

He said, “You know, up until the present, we could afford a sort of an elitist, upper middle class approach to the selection of Foreign Service officers. But the world is changing, and we now need to exploit, more fully than we have so far, the diversity, variety of people and groups.”

Well, I was impressed with that. You know, I got involved because he laid it on the line, in pretty direct honest terms. If he had handed me a lot of sentimental hogwash, I don't think I would have been particularly interested. If he'd started talking about, you know, “Now we know what's right, we want to do right by our fellow minorities, etc. “I'd have said, “Oh, crap, I've head this before in church, “or something like that --

I wouldn't have become involved. But at the same time, you do have the dead hand of the past affecting decisions, and we will have, for a pretty long time an American Foreign Service that is predominantly WASP, and that the schools from which most of the youngsters who are taken into the Foreign Service are, for the most part, elitist schools, with, you know, a specialist, such as -- George town was one, -- one or two schools in the Washington area that supply a high percentage of --or is it George Washington? We have it.

Well, anyway, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, to a lesser extent Columbia, will in the foreseeable future, certainly in my lifetime,