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scientific way; that we define the problem clearly, the objectives; we bring together -- it's the traditional scientific approach to a problem. It's what we did in terms of developing nuclear weapons, you know, at Los Alamos. We got the best minds together, to test the validity of the Einsteinian concept of the relationship between matter and energy, and we tested it partially, and came out with an atomic weapon.

Well, I'm saying: OK, now that you've done that, take pretty much the same approach to seeing what you can do with man; now that you have this moral idiot with this ultimate weapon, raise him at least to high grade moron, morally, and do it systematically.

They invited me, by the way, to give a special invitational talk on a similar topic, really, at the next APA in September, on behavior modification. Which I find interesting -- that my colleagues, who, four or five years ago, where aghast at what I was suggesting to them, now that the -- now are saying to me, “Look, we want you to give this special invitational lecture on behavior modification. You must come and talk to us more about this problem.”

And I'm going to talk to them about it. I'm going to say, “Hey, look, we don't have very much time. We must get this research moving, on how to get, particularly the human beings, the male main? human beings with power, to be more moral -- beyond chance, you know, and beyond their own volition on it.”

All hell broke loose. And all hell broke loose because I talked about the people with power. That's why.