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theme will therefore be a matter of your own discretion.”

Well, the title I sent back to them was: “Problems of Freedom in Behavior Modification.” And my theme is going to be that the problems of freedom are going to be purely abstract and irrelevant, unless we find more precise ways of modifying human behavior toward, not just verbal morality, but a determined functional morality. I will try to develop my thesis, of my presidential address, that we can no longer afford the luxury of voluntary morality, you know, choice morality; that morality now is a problem of survival, and it's a scientific problem. It's a psychotechnological problem. And it must be dealt with that way, and I am going to deal with the problems, the barriers in the way of this necessary changed perspective.

There are barriers, I mean, that we have -- that we continue to define freedom in a nuclear age in the terms that we defined it in the age of rationalism, you know -- the 17th century. You can't do that any more. It's an entirely different set of realities, that scientists must dare to face.

Q:

All right, just to put this in a comparative context, why don't I repeat the title of your presidential speech, which was: “The Pathos of Power: a Psychological Perspective.” I hope you'll have another reprint, to put behind the transcripts for columbia University.

Clark:

Sure.

Q:

And of course, when you asked the NEW YORK TIMES, its headline





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