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dilemma here-- how to have both the enjoyment of my past academic career, and make a success out of a new business. I'm telling my wife that we can have both. She might be right, in that it will be one or the other.

But coming back to your question, about the -- my tenure -- as president of the American Psychological Association, the fact of the matter is, I did not really believe that, first, I would ever be nominated as president of the American Psychological Association, and second, if nominated, that I would be elected. And this is not because of modesty, or, you know, any feigned self-effacement.

Throughout my career as a social -psychological activist, you know, I never had any delusions that the kind of social psychologist I was was the kind of social psychologist who would be rewarded by his colleagues. I enjoyed teaching. I enjoyed research and work that Mamie and I did together. I enjoyed working with my students, on their research problems. I enjoyed doing the research at Northside Center. But I knew that -- or I believed that my involvement in the civil rights struggle --(that I think even started before my systematic involvement with the lawyers of the Legal Defense Fund)-- even as a student, I found that I was involved in writing letters to editors about racial injustice, and as editor of my college newspaper, I was always writing these editorials and confronting the college administration with their passivity and inaction in the face of racial injustice in America, and I knew that as I was being trained as a psychologist, that I would never really be able to indulge in the luxury of being a detached, pure psychologist, you know