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something that I took seriously, and was able to involve my colleagues in.

I felt pretty secure, in terms of my relationship with my colleagues, when the time came for me to give my presidential address.

Incidentally, on that-- a further question on the presidential address: did you consult in any way with any of your colleagues on the main thrust, the major direction of it?

Absolutely not.

In other words, this came as a surprise to them?

Yes. I did not want to burden any of my colleagues, in the APA, with responsibility for sharing in any way the ideas which I was putting forth in that talk. Now, I did share it with one or two people here-- my friend and collaboratory, Larry Plotkin saw it. My editor, Jeanette Hopkins, saw it. And I must say, to their credit, they warned me. They said, “Look, Kenneth -- this is rather heady stuff. I mean, you're going to get clobbered.”

They did their very best to get me to soften the very parts of the thing that did result in the intense criticism.

But I think, if I remember it correctly, they were the only two. I did not share it with Mamie. And looking back on it, you know, I really don't know why, because I shared every other major address that I ever made with her, and benefited from her point of view. I did not want to involve Mamie, at this level of my