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thinking or concern. And I guess, If you were to force me to tell you why, it would be because Mamie is very protective of me. She agonizes, whenever she is in the audience and I'm giving a speech. And I know it. She tries to hide it, but I know it.She's also very pragmatic. She's a hell of a lot more pragmatic than I She does not believe in taking on any more risk overtly than one needs to -- which does not mean that she in any way compromises on her basic values or thoughts, because she's solid in them. But she is not a confrontation-type person, you know. She fights only when she has to. I, on the other hand, seem to be always inviting fights or conflicts, struggles, and I know what Mamie would have said to me. And if I'd shown it to her, I would have been bound to be influenced by her. I really would, because that's always been our relationship, that whenever we've been involved in something before the fact, we, each of us, has made some of the modifications which the other suggests.

Well, I guess what I'm saying to you is: I didn't want to make any modifications, and I knew Mamie would have suggested some, and might have felt very strongly about some -- as witness the fact that after--

Did I tell you this story? After I gave the address, and people were -- came up to the suite, and were reacting to it, some graciously and some not so graciously, Mamie, who was hostess that evening, didn't say a word. My son and his wife expressed their -- my son particularly expressed his opinion very strongly: he didn't want anybody interfering with his right to be evil.