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Q:

Did we cover Queens College?

Clark:

There's nothing to cover. It was just a horrible one year experience. I think it was the year that Wallace -- no, the year before. It was probably ‘46- ‘47. I don't know. Whatever it was, it was too much. And it was a terrible experience. Ann Anastasi was there, you know, and she was the one woman who was in the department. Well, there were a couple of men who hated her guts, and who never missed an opportunity to say childishly inane things. I just thought: oh my God, if this is academia, I want no part of it.

Well, fortunately, I'd had an experience at City, before, and I'd been transferred to Queens because it seemed as if I would be able to get tenure earlier there. But I didn't want tenure there. I took my chances and went back to City, without any assurance that I would get tenure, because I felt more comfortable there.

Q:

There were a couple of other matters for the discussion today -- before I go --

Clark:

-- Ed, are you a glutton for punishment?

Q:

I don't think so.

Clark:

Masochistic?

Q:

Well, I don't think, any more than the usual person. I did want to ask you, as a consequence of your discussion about the Kennedy-Johnson Administrations this noon, do you recall any of





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