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sought to justify what I would consider personal cowardice on the grounds of need to support a wife and two children, or something of the sort, and that to me is always sad.

How did that sound to you? Did that sound self-righteous? I didn't mean it to sound self-righteous.

No. You're not the only memoirist who with this kind of viewpoint -- one in quite a different field, told us how his father brought him up -- “You become a lawyer before you go into politics. You get your income secure. Then you don't have to sell out to anybody.”

That's right. Well, in that case-- unless you're insatiable. And that is a factor too, you know. There are probably some people who never have enough. That's one thing I love -- among the many things I love about that woman. She's never made, in the 38 years of our marriage, going on 39 now, materialistic demands. You know. Stuff like that. She's never said, “Look, we gotta do that, have that” -- and I guess it was a certain kind of security that came from her.

The one fur coat that she has-- I had to buy it, insist that I wanted to buy it. Now, don't ask me why I bought it. Almost like a game. She said, “Look dammit, Kenneth, I don't need a fur coat --”

I said, “All right, now, I know you don't need one, but hell -- we've got this extra money, I'll get it.”