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You see, I'm still persistent on it.

We have a number -- in fact, the first interviewing I did for them, which was back in 1961, they wanted to get a black project of some sort going, and one reason there are not more is that some of those who were invited never participated. Ray Jones consented, for example, but then never --

My son has him, by the way.

Yes-- see, you've got him now.

(We have to go to something at Northside,.. remind me...)

And Adam Powell ignored the invitation.

Really? Gee, that would have been --

Yeah. He -- I wrote a letter, and I approached him --

-- he would have been a most valuable one.

This was after he became chairman of the committee. He just said he didn't have time. Yet I'd covered him at that time for three years. I knew him.

Adam would have had time for anything he wanted to have time for.

As a matter of fact, I was going to ask, just as --