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I think you'd already mentioned Thurgood Marshall. He had been on their list.

Yes. You're going to have a hard time, but I think it would be sorth the pursuit.

And what about Eleanor Holmes Norton?

Still young. Five years from now-- maybe. That's almost a condescending thing for me to say, but I didn't mean it in a condescending way. I think Eleanor is still groping and feeling her way, and I think she'll come out all right. I don't mean it the way it sounds. She's still formative, that's what-I mean.

OK...