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At Riverdale we gave the children an intelligent test, an achievement tests, in school, mostly. Now, a few children would get some projective tests, like the Rohrschach. But mostly we were interested in trying to see what their school achievement was, in relationship to their brightness.

What were your findings generally at Riverdale? Especially when you made this comparison?

Our findings were that the Riverdale needed to set up a remedial department, because the children couldn't read. That was the major finding. And indeed they did set up a remedial department for the children.

Did you find that quite a few of these children that could not read were bright?

Yes.

Had high IQ's, even above average?

Yes. Right, some were bright, yes. Yes.

I had wanted to ask you just a general question about your observations on wanted children, and here of course you're working in a home at Riverdale, which was essentially almost a whole total population of unwanted children. But had you become aware, to a considerable degree, of the number of unwanted children there were among blacks, before you went to Riverdale?